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Wednesday , January 25th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jan 24 2012, 02:44 PM (7,575 Views)
Paxton
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CarlD2
Jan 26 2012, 12:14 PM
Paxton
Jan 26 2012, 08:40 AM

Great posts, Ellie. I don't have time to post more, but I really don't understand the idea that Will is only interesting if he has a story. I mean . . . right? Every character needs stories to be interesting. Theoretically, I could even be interested in Roman if he had a good story. The stories are what define these fictional characters' personalities. I might not have cared much or at all about Will before, but I care about him NOW.
I think the best part of a soap is that a character drives a story. A character can communicate something in one glance and viewers will know, based on history. I think soaps should build characters up and then tell the story.
But my point is that the only way we get to know these fictional characters is through their stories. We don't see them in the same way we see people in our everyday lives, where we evaluate personalities and get to know people through the places they like to go out to dinner, their favorite teams, what types of movies they like, whether we think they're funny, whether they'd rather work out by doing yoga or running or both, etc. This is an ensemble show with limited time to devote to every character (except, unfortunately, Sami, who apparently has unlimited show time). If we got to "see" Will develop a personality the same way we do people in real life, people would be throwing things at the screen because it wouldn't be a good use of TV time.

And, Will is still very young. He's had no opportunity to develop much of a personality prior to this year. The same was true of Sami when she witnessed J & M--she was young and callow and undeveloped. NOW we know what a bitch she is, but that developed over the years as we saw her stupidity and insecurity and endless poor decision-making shape her as a character. And that was through her stories. I just don't see how else, on a TV show, you're going to show what a character is like unless they're in stories and I don't see how you develop their personalities in any meaningful or interesting way without making them part of stories people are interested in.
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cyndabell
Jan 26 2012, 12:55 PM
fritosguy
Jan 25 2012, 10:32 PM
Ellie
Jan 25 2012, 10:29 PM
fritosguy
Jan 25 2012, 10:23 PM
Here's my problem: NOTHING indicates that Will is gay. We've seen no proof of it. I'm wondering if he even is!
We NEED to see fantasy scenes of him making out or having sex with EJ, his "master," to prove it in the viewers' minds, that this is really where they're going with the story. It would satisfy the fans who want EJill, even if it were just in fantasy sequences, and it would help raise the ratings due to shock. But more important, it would put the final nail in the heterosexuality coffin.
I hope you're joking. But seriously, the point of the story is that HE is conflicted. We can tell Marlena thinks he is, we can tell Sonny thinks he is, we can tell EJ thinks he is. But Will doesn't know if Will is, and there's part of the depth and angst of the story.
I'm not joking, Ellie. Isn't it reasonable that -- in real life -- there would be jacking off to same sex fantasies? We can't go that far, of course, in daytime, but we have to see some proof that there's not just "conflict," but what the "conflict" is about. I agree that Marlena sees it. I agree that EJ sees it. I don't personally see it myself, though. I need more to go on. (In the same way that I need to see Sonny having SEX.)
I'm inclined to agree with this (well, not the jacking off part because we clearly won't be seeing any of that). But I've wondered since the very beginning why they would never give us any indication that Will secretly had a thing for guys. That's never happened! People are talking about subtlety which is fine for a while, but I think now is the time to step it up a bit more by SHOWING us why Will is conflicted and why he would suddenly be so turned off by a beautiful exotic-looking young woman like Gabi. Nothing wrong with showing us something more at this point of the story. And yes, I'm totally up for some Will gay fantasies for the simple reason that it adds even more of a naughty element to Will and this storyline. I'm becoming a bit bored with just watching Will act like a downer almost everytime he's on. His scenes with EJ makes things a little better but I still want to see Will himself having naughty thoughts about men. :spank:
You know what would be great? Even if we can't get Ejill -- a true, hot master/slave relationship where EJ just uses Will for sex; it happens in real life, believe me I know! -- at LEAST we can get EJ tempting Will -- never intending to sleep with him, but just to bind him to EJ more and more -- by inviting him to chat in tHE SAUNA with EJ, and you don't have to have a fantasy sequence, but having Will OGLE EJ in the sauna while chatting with him would totally clue viewers in about why he's conflicted. And it would deliciously play along with EJ's cat/mouse game. :wub:
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mandadawn
Jan 24 2012, 04:14 PM
I haven't watch this episode yet and I don't understand Sami's actions. I would think that with her being paid by both Madison and Kate, she would have more than enough money. Plus, the fact that both of the fathers to her children are extremely wealthy. Like everyone has been saying, her children should want for nothing. It is just stupid writing.

The only reason that I am still watching the show at this point is because of Will's storyline. I love it! I am also extremely curious about what will happen with the Feb sweeps.

I am only 24 and have being watching the show for what seems like 24 yrs and after being extremely excited for the new writers, I feel like this show has taken a different direction and not a good one. It has once again because the Jonas Family sitcom who can do no wrong and are supposedly irresistible. :sarcasm:
Thanks for posting this. Fans should be up in arms, sending THEIR paychecks to MarDar, in defiance of the fact that Sami gets two paychcks and the show refuses to acknowledge it. Sami is double dipping. She doesn't have money problems. The kids have more than enough money for clothes on their backs. This omission (and really, rewrite of facts) is sick.

With that sad, the CW story is going to blow up in Sami's face. Gabi and Chad are HOT. There's no way they're not going to push CW to new heights. Madison's decline for Victor's offer will blow up in her face. Mad World will fold because of these factors.

Whoaaaaa, dangerous territory. Austin's discussing his marriage with a student. This is a slippery slope. Very bad move, Austin. I don't care if it's Abby you're talking to. (No, her name is NOT Abigail. That's Jack's name for her.) You can't divulge information about the marriage. "I love spending time with you" ... dang... Abby must be eating this up, heh, heh, heh... :chee:

Glad to see the show invested in a real photo shoot. I really thought they'd have digital cameras and set it in the spa.
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